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From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 11-Nov-05
Mine was a spelling error, yours was the proper use of KNEW and NEW numbnuts. Try and read this - nice and slow so it sinks in. Petrovek was up front with everything he said - including what is in those articles. What he nor any smart owner wouldn't do is overplay his hand. Talks here were a lot further on than you "think" (because you do not NOW - or sorry KNOW). I know. I have emails to back it up - and yes - they are secret - to you. But I've shown them to others. Let us know when you 'facts' about Providence moving here pan out ok?

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 11-Nov-05

210: "If everything you know is from that article than you know less than a quarter of what was happening at the time"

Thanks for your time...


From: 128A  
Date: 10-Nov-05

Speed since you called me "An  Idiot That Wouldn't Have a Clue In My Back Pocket".

We'll I just checked for clues in my back pocket and found the Portland Press Articles, though I would list them for all, I know you can read, but note sure if you can comprehend.

http://sports.mainetoday.com/pirates/stories/05116piratelease.shtml

http://sports.mainetoday.com/pirates/stories/050330piratesupdt.shtml

http://sports.mainetoday.com/pirates/stories/050107moving.shtml

Anyway I am sure you will dispute the articles and say you have that Top Secret Info you can't disclose, and stick to your silly fantasy that they you new or (Knew) they were really coming to Woosta for sure.

OH YA before you spell check me, and post your reply, it would be better if you spell check your own post on Nov-7 and correct your own typo's before giving me the spelling lessons. 

Now that's funny correcting my typo's and mispelling words in your same Nov-7 post.

Looking at the Portland Press Articles looks like Petrovek managing owner made no secrets for his intentions, for what his team needed to stay in Portland. For your info by the way Boulos' started in 2003 the first plan for the covention center/hotel/arena and its not like the Pirates jumped on the Band Wagon in 2005.

I mispelled something on this page, can you find it Speed.

Over & Out


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 10-Nov-05
How many times can you move on without moving on? Come back when you have something to contribute. Only thing you've done is knock Worcester and come up with theories. So spare us all.

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 10-Nov-05
Glad to see you're saying you're done...although I'm betting you aren't

From: 128A  
Date: 09-Nov-05

210 & Speed.

As I said I am done, Thanks for proving my point too.. You both have the guy thing always got to be right and get that last word in too..

Anyway we disagree, I am done let's move on.


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 09-Nov-05
Don't let the cyber-dorr hit you in the ass on the way out 128A. Come back when you actually have something to contribute.

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 09-Nov-05

128a: "...all in writing printed in the press in Portland"

210: "If everything you know is from that article than you know less than a quarter of what was happening at the time"

Thanks for proving my point.


From: 128A  
Date: 08-Nov-05

Speed,

I already did contribute the facts, all in writing printed in the press in Portland... Take a look some day in the archives ,since you say I am an idiot and you will see the truth. You must have that guy thing about always getting the last word in too.

Any way I am done as Tjo is right this is pointless at this time.

128A


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Nov-05
AS tjo pointed out, I'm wasting my time and breath on an idiot that wouldn't have a clue if it were in his back pocket. When you have anything to contribute, let us know OK?

From: 128A  
Date: 07-Nov-05

Speed & 210

Regarding Portland moving to Woosta, while the City and Pirates talked, Joeseph Boulos' a Portland Bussinessman outlined in late March his 245 Million Convention Center, Hotel, Office Building and Arena in the 6-1/2 acre Old Port District.

Petrovek from the Pirates was always upfront and honest and told everyone publically and through the Press, and the Civic Center Trustees that they were negotiating with Worcester.  I quote him  as he stated to all " Hopefully we'll get to the point where we won't have to pursue anything in Worcester" regarding there talks and moving the team.   

Petrovek also indicated his interest in renegotiating a long term lease in December to everyone before ever meeting with Worcester in January, and wanted to play in the new arena in Portland. He even told the press and I quote  him "Worcester knows we're coming from and we know where they are coming from" he told the press.

Just another Fact, not Fiction and if you doubt and dispute this as usual, and still claim you new (Knew) Portland was really coming here, I would totally disagree as Petrovek was completley honest at all times, had intgretity, and loyalty to the Pirates and drew the line in the sand to all parties concerned both private and city and state, and recieved all of his demands.

Too bad we don't have a guy like that in Woosta, as we would have not lost our IceCats Team, anyway sounds like something is brewing in Woossta and would be outstanding to see a new team.

I would like to look forward to a new team in 2006

128A

 


From: 128A  
Date: 07-Nov-05

Speed & 210

You guys are too much, now 210 has secrets but can't say of course now on why Portland stayed. All I have said all along is the Pirates got all they asked for publically told  to the Press in January and printed in the newspapers up there, and you guys keep saying you "Knew" or "New" they were definetley moving here. Thanks for the spelling updates corrections etc. 

Can't wait to be made that huge fool too 210 about why Portland didn't come here, but as you guys keep saying knew they were but thats all Top Secret right.

Hmmm let me see Portland outline s what they need to stay, new or upgraded building and 4-5 year lease, tell the press they won't enter into discussions with Woosta until meeting with Maine Cumberland County people, they meet and outline there needs and do not get imediately what they want , then look at Woosta a couple of times, then get everything they asked for and decide to stay in Maine hmmmm sounds pretty simple to me.

Speed you keep trying to twist things around but the Facts are the Pirates said what they wanted to stay recieved them all and is why they are still in Portland, and I am making ASSumptions is stupid when I look at the facts and not the fiction. Why can't you guys say you were wrong about Portland coming here,  Petrovek just as a good business person explored all options.

 Too bad we didn't have a City as committed too Portland's Team was, as we wouldn't have lost the Cats as it appears  St. Louis was complaining and losing money for years. I know you guys are going to tell me the rent was reduced twice, but whatever the end result matters and the team was sold and moved, so it wasn't enough to keep the team here and the signs were all there.

You are right I am extremley negative at Woosta for many reasons, but that's another long story. Anyway I did pledge my four season tickets, never got the confirming e-mail but the paper work was recieved today from SMG/DCU Center and sent in. Hopefully one would reasonable conclude something is on the horizon in the near future and we be great news for all.

See you guys at the next game and we can drop the gloves and have great laugh.

128A

 


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Nov-05
By the way, to get back on topic, we should recognize that 128A did do his part and bought 4 pledges. That is putting money where your mouth is. We can disagree, argue, complain - any of that. As long as the focus is getting another team and doing your part - we'll all be good.

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Nov-05

When our goal of a new AHL team is reached I will be glad to tell everyone why Portland opted to stay there--which is an offer I've made several times. But until then the specifics on anything related to getting an AHL team, no matter how small that detail is, will remain secret.

So 128A can feel free to keep posting whatever he wants, because when the whole story comes out he'll look like a huge fool.


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Nov-05
128A - I didn't believe in the sense (not that you make any) of making and educated guess. I KNEW (note the spelling of "KNEW"). They were coming here. They set a deadline for not just the city, but the STATE (i.e. Governor) to promise the new (see correct use of "NEW") buidling. The state met that deadline. Otherwise, they'd be here. Coming from someone who though Providence was coming here, you hold ZERO credibilty yourself. You've emailed me several times "wanting to help", and then you come here and write here - which shows what I already KNEW (or is that "NEW"?) - that you've got to much negativity towards what Worcester and SMG are trying to do, and that you don't look at things with facts, but with ASSumptions.

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Nov-05

"Anyone know what the real numbers are for rent? Is it similar to other teams, how much of the concessions goes to the team, what is the base attendence and split above a ceratin attendance, board advertising who gets it, merchandise percentage split, ice advertising, sponsors etc ? "

Hard numbers were not announced at the press conference.


From: 128A  
Date: 06-Nov-05

Speed you crack me up, you and 210 still believe Portland was really coming here, you even said in your post "I didn't think they were coming here-I NEW they were" .

All I have to say is looking around is the Portland Pirates AIN'T Here Eh... Kind of doesn't work Speeds New They Were Coming Theory.

128A


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Nov-05

If a team were to move here the odds are very high that an affiliation would come with it. I can't see someone moving an unaffiliated team here and risk not being able to play.

The team names that have been mentioned in print are Edmonton (owned by the Oilers) and the former Utah Grizzleys (currently dormant and unaffilaiated).


From: tjo668   tjo668 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Nov-05

As good as those questions are, I think it would be best for us not to discuss the "who" part yet. It's early in the season and the city has mentioned before that they don't want to start a bidding war over teams. I think we'd also be better off not starting the insanity we had last year over our possibilities.  For fact purposes there are 2 available franchises (not teams- franchises). Edmonton and Utah. Any team could sign and affiliation and fill those franchises with players. There is also the possiblility of an existing team moving here.

A franchise cannot be "granted" it has to be bought by someone or moved here by the existing owner.

Right now the city is walking a fine line between saying "this is what we think any random team would want before coming here" and "this is what a specifiic team has told us they want to see."

 


From: dmband   dmband is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Nov-05

At the risk of getting to far ahead of ourselves, I am curious about the affiliation process.  Assuming the drive is successful, do we get granted a franchise and then become like Cincy and begin the search for an affiliation? 

Who are the likely affiliation candidates and how does that search process work? 

I would assume many of the affiliations are multi-year agreements and as such wouldnt be in play next year.  Does that leave the the "doubled up" franchises like Florida, Colorado etc as the only source?

Net question...who are the most logical candidates and when do those decisions get made?

 


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Nov-05
128A - I don't think Portland was moving here - I KNEW they were. Everyone knows that Portland was threatening leaving unless they got exactly what they did get in Portland. But they were serious. They were planning on coming here. Adjustments that were made were a decrease in rent, all merchandise sales money sold in the DCU, free office space in the DCU, and money for adverstising.

From: 128A  
Date: 05-Nov-05

Speed & 210,

You guys are saying the rents are going down and they are going to give something from the concessions and free office space etc.

Anyone know what the real numbers are for rent? Is it similar to other teams, how much of the concessions goes to the team, what is the base attendence and split above a ceratin attendance, board advertising who gets it, merchandise percentage split, ice advertising, sponsors etc ? 

Its not anout pucks, just the bucks for Woosta

128A  

 


From: 128A  
Date: 05-Nov-05

That's funny if you think Woosta almost had Portland and was 12 hours from getting and moving the team here. The link isn't dead either, you may not be able to click on it on the message board and will have to type it into  your browser as I did and still works. 

Anyway Brian Petrovek said to the Portland Press if you ever read it:

1. Were not intereted in leaving Portland, and we will determine are next steps after we  finish discussing with Cumberland County and will eneter into discussions with Woosta after that.

2. They wanted a new 4- 5 year lease in Portland and a new or upgraded facilty.

Petrovek from the Pirates of course came down here and looked at the location and entered into serius negotiations with you guys, as that would be most prudent and dilegent on his part for the bussiness.

All that secret info you claim to have about almost having the team doesn't matter, as the end result was Portland won and Woosta as usual lost, almost does not count anymore for business, expesially for proffesional sports.

Take a look next time your in Maine Woosta people, we even have an International Airport Jetway in Portland that connects from the Turnpike, its so close the Jets fly over the highway about 100 ft above you.

 I know you are still working on that one of yours and as I say when in Woosta when someone asks how to get to that Woosta Airport "Can't Get Thier from Here", either connect a major highway to your airport or give up and make it a golf course.  

So go ahead and keep believing you almost got the Pirates, but Petrovek owner told the press publically what he needed in January and recieved it all, but kept his game face on throughout the negotiations. 

128A

 

 As I said Portland rolled out the red carpet and the Pirates got it all,


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 05-Nov-05

That link is dead, although I've read it before. If everything you know is from that article than you know less than a quarter of what was happening at the time.

I have a significant amount of information that reporter did not have, and that you obviously don't have, and I stand by how close we came to getting Portland to move here.


From: 128A  
Date: 05-Nov-05

210

Take a look at this article and it answers all questions regarding Portland coming to Wooostu, anyway they approached the Pirates and you will see in the link, all Portland wanted was a longer lease and the new building, a private devloper was building the hotel and convention center and the city was to build the arena.

Anyway we disagree and that's ok, but the Pirates basically outlined what they need to stay and got the red carpet, if you will recall St. Louis was always complaning about the lease cost for the Centrum/DCU and I believe it was the highest cost of any team in the leauge, if I remember right two adjustments were made over the years, but the costs were still about double that of other AHL Teams and in addition there was no revenue sharing for concessions etc.

So her is the link to the Portland Press Article: http://sports.mainetoday.com/pirates/stories/050107moving.shml

128A


From: tjo668   tjo668 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 05-Nov-05

Okay, let me repeat myself:

Worcester's rent WAS about $3,000 per night above league average. $3,000 x 40 nights = $120,000.

St. Louis claimed losses of about $750,000 to $1,000,000.

Rent was PART of the problem. That PART has been fixed by the city as stated in the T&G, and listed here- lower rent, concession money, better dates, office space and a 20% reduction in game night labor costs.

The other PARTS of the problems were, that we know of, with management of the team. Those PARTS will be up to a new ownership to take care of (I'm guessing they will not be wasting money putting the team in hotels in Providence before games). How the previous management chose to waste money had nothing to do with the rent issue that HAS BEEN FIXED.


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 05-Nov-05

The Portland Pirates were within 12 hours of moving here. That is a fact and I'm sorry you refuse to believe that.


From: 128A  
Date: 05-Nov-05

Speed

As much as you think Portland was serious about moving the Team to Woosta is really Silly.

In so far as you say this was more than Portland "Exploring Options", and all Your Sources ...Guess what Portland is still in Portland, so you didn't here it from the DCU, Tornedoes, or SMG but heard it from me.

Portland is still in Portland and I still have AHL Hockey to see.

Woosta's is said to be droping the price for the building and that's great, but really needs to be simalar to all other rents for AHLTeams in order to field a cost effecient team.

128A


From: Wildcats11   Wildcats11 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 04-Nov-05

Yea, there's alot of interesting things going on now. It's all been sudden....at least that's what I think. With the rally at the DCU and the Season Ticket Pledge Drive, I think these are all really good signs. The fact that Dave Andrews came here for this rally certainly raised some eyebrows. Things are starting to look good, let's continue to keep the faith!


From: KingIceCat   KingIceCat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 04-Nov-05

I agree 210 / Speed.  I can't see if it was just a option. I can't see Dave Andrews "wasting" his afternoon in Worcester if there wasnt somthing more positive about this pledge drive.  There would be not much to gain for him, the AHL nor the City.

Keeping the Faith!


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 04-Nov-05

Just a note for all these folks who have "sources"...the people who really know what's going on aren't telling anyone.


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 04-Nov-05

128A..

You're entitled to disagree with me. But I happen to know for sure that it was more than exploring options. Lets just say I didn't hear it from a "DCU Center employer", or a "vendor" or "someone who works for the Tornadoes".

The last bit perplexes me - did you even go to the press conference or read what the city and SMG are doing to attract at team? The lease is going down. They're going to share food and beverage profits. A team that comes in will still reap in all of the merchandise sold inside the DCU. They probably will get free office space as well.  


From: 128A  
Date: 03-Nov-05

Watched Holy Cross win 1-0 over Army one night and then beat them again 5-3 I think Saturday night, what great Hockey as checks are CHECKS, and they play like the Stanley Cup final every Game.

Heads up in the stands no fish nets to glare through, and duck from flying pucks, really great hockey every home game.

128A


From: 128A  
Date: 03-Nov-05

Speed

Portland announced that they needed a better facility,or would be moving the team a long time before ever coming to Worcester. As you know they visted the DCU a few times with all there staff and discussed with all moving the Pirates.

They made no secrets of this and had the Portland Press covering it all as they looked at Worcester. Portland rolled out the Red Carpet for the Pirates and kept the Team in Portland. 

If you haven't been to Portland recently, they kind of looked like Worcester 20 years ago but really made the City into a great place in New England. I have a home up there as well as Mass. and go to there games in Winter, expesially when Worcester plays them, and there support is great from the fans and city.

I disagree with you as you said "Portland almost moved here" as they just explored all options and the City gave them what they wanted to stay, it was just good business by the team.

I had season tickets (4) front row for 11 years and really want as all of you a new team, but given the high cost of the facilty find it unlikley as new team will come into the market unless the DCU Center rents are equal to average in other AHL buildings and we are not, and until we are no team will come here given the losses.

The DCU needs to drop the price and make up the lost revenue in other ways but that's another story.

128A

 


From: UMASS Dude  
Date: 22-Oct-05
I watched Holy Cross up end UMASS in the last five minutes of a game last night. They are pretty good this year, if I lived in Worcester I would check them out.

From: tjo668   tjo668 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 22-Oct-05
...but yes, absolutely go see Holy Cross. At $7 a ticket and free parking, it's a good take. My tickets for the Atlantic Hockey Tournament came in the mail today.

From: tjo668   tjo668 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 22-Oct-05

Stop and think about the DCU rent for a second. Yes, we were about $3,000 or so above league average. 3K at 40 nights is only $120,000. St. Louis claimed a loss of about $750K- $1M per year. Rent was a part of the problem, but not the problem iteself.  Besides, that type of rent should have been off set by the lowest travel budget in the league (It wasn't with the team being put in a hotels in Providence).

Attendance is not the sole issue either, if at all. For the two years before the announcement, we averaged 4,800 per game. Teams around us, like Springfield and Lowell, would give parts of their anatomy to have our attendance. At 4,800 we were 16th in the league.


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 21-Oct-05
Ahuh, that's why Portland almost moved here (until Petrovek got word of a new arena being built), and why and ownership group had a team bought (but couldn't work out an affiliation agreement - see Worcester Magazine)? If these are you concerns, what does the city (mayor, manager) and the DCU Center/SMG management say when you call and ask them about your concerns?

From: 128A  
Date: 20-Oct-05

Don't get your hopes up for a new AHL Team too soon, or even in the 2006-2007 season unless the DCU Center makes some serious concessions, as it is unlikley another AHL team will come into this market with the high costs for the DCU Facility.

It doesn't make sense with the other markets competing for teams for an AHL Franchise with lower costs to locate in Woosta given the high lease for the facility and poor attendence in the league.

Anyone wishing to see the best Hockey in Central Mass, attend any game at Holy Cross were thier players play every game like it is a Stanley Cup playoff game.

128A


From: shandy   shandy is a registered live IceCat
Date: 15-Oct-05
ya tom who are you and what are you talking about 210 saying good info on what he knows and its better than you so lets all pray and belive for a team

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 15-Oct-05

I'll reply to him here Pierce...

What negative attitude? What specific thing did I post did you find "negative"? What specific thing did I post was "not right"?

And to make you look like a bigger fool, why would I bother spending any time trying to get an AHL team here if I didn't want a team too?

 Actually, don't bother to answer unless you have the balls to register and post an e-mail address.


From: Pierce   Pierce is a registered live IceCat
Date: 14-Oct-05
Tom why dont you leave your email address so 210 can reply to you personally.

From: tom  
Date: 14-Oct-05
210 why do you gotta put your 2 cents into everything and have a negative attitude we all want a team and thats not right what you said shandy . if you dont like it dont write

From: icecat23   icecat23 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 13-Oct-05
geeze dont be so negative...

From: Pierce   Pierce is a registered live IceCat
Date: 13-Oct-05
I like to think positive.I know many people are trying very hard to get a team into this city. I wish them luck and hope all goes well for them.

From: 128A  
Date: 12-Oct-05

Hey,

Don't get your hope up for a new team soon, this is Woosta and they can screw up just about anything...


From: tjo668   tjo668 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 11-Oct-05

That's nothing- check out season ticket prices in Hartford & Bridgeport...

 

On some of the other comments here:

Yes- write the mayor, he WILL respond and quite thoroughly. Don't be pushy, just let him (and the city) know you're still hungry for hockey.

We also have a great opportunity RIGHT NOW to show any potential teams/investors that we're a good market. Tickets went on sale last week for the NCAA hockey tournament. It's a long way off, but if anyone is trying to get a feel for the market and they see the building is sold out by the end of October, that sends a HUGE message. Ditto on the Atlantic Hockey Tournament at Holy Cross the week before.  


From: Cape Cod Cat   Cape Cod Cat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 11-Oct-05

People I talk to say they "used" to go to the IceCats but refused to pay $14 a ticket for minor league hockey. Look at what the P-Bruins charge (below). There is no way Worcesterites will pay these prices if a new team comes in:

Premium Center 106-110,120-124 $22.00
Lower Corner/Net 101-105,114-118,125-128 $18.00
Upper Level 201-240 $16.00
Family (Non-Alcohol) 111-113 $18.00
Kids/Senior All $16.00
Accessible 101,106,124 $18.00


From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 11-Oct-05

Sorry folks I've been moving into a new house so I've been busy. Let me try and clear up a few things...

SHANDY - if it were in the paper - why didn't you ask which one? Also - why would it matter that he works for the Tornadoes? They have nothing to do with getting a hockey team here.

If there is any info - you will see it here with a link to the newspaper article. More than likely, it's either going to be from the Worcester T+G, or the paper of the team that is either losing the team we get, or the NHL affiliate we're getting.

Nobody here (if they were smart) is going to post that they heard we're getting a team, or what the rumors are.

I'll use a hypothetical where the team name has been changed to one that obviously wont happen.

Say word got out that Hershey was being bought and moved here. The folks in Hershey would go nuts. Their office would be inundated with hatred, their fans would stop going to games now, they'd lose their shirt in their last year. Everyone signs confidentiality agreements that if word leaks out - they can back out of the deal. Question - DO WE WANT THAT?

What WE need to do is not sit around and ask about rumors or potentials, but stay on the city, the chamber of commerce, the DCU Center GM, and the local media to get us another damn AHL team for next year. Everyone, take all your energy and frustration and call them! Write letters! Don't let it swing in the breeze. Even if you did it before, do it AGAIN. This is a new year - we were heard last year - we need to be heard AGAIN.

For those that asked, I can say that 210 and I are still active in all this. I can also say that the city is still very active in all this. But I think voices from us fans to them help greatly.

UHL would work here - if they palyed at Holy Cross.

As for ECHL - here's a great quote from the Peoria paper:

"We turned to the ECHL as the only way to keep hockey alive in Peoria. Our fan base had expanded in the IHL, and those last few years we averaged 6,400 per game. But it dropped about 2,000 after we moved to the ECHL, and it was a long climb back."

They lost $1.1 million in their first ECHL season. The team never did break even during its nine-year ECHL run.

And thats with easier travel than what Worcester would be in store for in the ECHL. If we got ECHL here and attendance dropped/it failed here - we'd never get AHL hockey (or any hockey) here again. 

And don't be surprised if anyone looking to come here wanted to do a season ticket drive first to see what kind of commitment the community has for a team.


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 08-Oct-05

The DCU could give the building free to an ECHL team and it would still be a money loser here.

And according to the figures in front of me Long Beach has lost about $20,000,000 in the last 9 seasons...that's a far cry from breaking even.


From: Turkued  
Date: 08-Oct-05
An ECHL team could work here. The Long Beach Ice Dogs came close to breaking even last year with attendance of about 3,200 per game. They play in an 11,000 seat arena owned by the city of Long Beach and have a good rental agreement. The real problem is with the Centrum and their inflexible lease arrangements. The City took take management in house at the earliest opportunity and then run the place for the public, not private, interest. After all, we paid for it.

From: Big Mike  
Date: 08-Oct-05
I think that the UHL has a rather significant interest in Worcester, but Worcester is not too interested in the UHL. As far as the ECHL in Burlington? They do not have a franchise or an arena at this time. There will not be pro hockey in Burlington any time in the near future.

From: KingIceCat   KingIceCat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Oct-05

From what I remember reading...the UHL said they had a small intrest comming to Worc.  I doubt it very much they would be happy playing in this large arena, and they stated that too.  210 is correct, the ECHL franchise in VT is a dead issue (right now).

 


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 07-Oct-05
There is no longer an ECHL franchise in Burlington...it was sold to the owner of the Utah AHL franchise when he took his team out of the AHL.

From: Collegehockeyfan  
Date: 07-Oct-05

As great as it would be to have an AHL team back in Worcester, it would seem more likely that they may get an ECHL team. That league is trying to get into the Northeast and there is already a franchise being set up in Burlington, Vermont that is supposed to begin operation in a couple of years.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a UHL team try to get in either.


From: SataiStyx   SataiStyx is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Oct-05

erm, mosquitoes.

 


From: SataiStyx   SataiStyx is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Oct-05

Walker,

You are in a minority as far as those who would support a lower league here in Worcester.  The majority of fans want the AHL back here, and have repeatedly stated so; on this board, on other boards, in surveys and polls.

Never mind the fact that there still is hockey in Worcester, as others have pointed out on this board (and in this thread) - we have Holy Cross hockey.  We have lots of kids leagues and lots of adult leagues.

As 210 very wisely pointed out, they only way Worcester could get a baseball team was to go with an unaffiliated league.  That fact was also discussed ad nauseum on WTAG talk shows and in the paper.  Comparing Worcester's situation for hockey and for baseball is trying to compare apples and moquitoes.

Judi


From: icecat23   icecat23 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 06-Oct-05

Hate to admit t, cape cod cat is right....quite a few fans that wanted an ahl  team supported the lower leagued tornadoes....lol...dosent make sense to me....I just want hockey back!!!!!


From: Walker Est Mon Favori   Walker Est Mon Favori is a registered live IceCat
Date: 05-Oct-05
Snag, please do not use the word WE when referring to what everyone wants. I would have supported an ECHL team just as much as an AHL team..... i know alot of people jsut wanted HOCKEY. and yes, there were just as many who wanted AHL seulment!

From: KingIceCat   KingIceCat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 03-Oct-05
Don't forget too, we havent had baseball here in 71 years, so at that point we will take anything to start a baseball fan base.  However since we went right to AAA Hockey, and finally lost it, why would we want to settle for going down a level.  If in the future there is No Chance in H-E-Double Hockey Sticks (Thanks Judi for that one) in getting the AHL, then yes I'd settle for the next level down, but since there is hope, then why settle.  I can wait too...and save some bucks at the same time. :)

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 03-Oct-05

Fans who know the answer aren't asking, and most fans know the answer.

Due to the territorial zone that MLB and the MLB sanctioned minor leagues have there was no way for Worcester to get an affiliated team. We are in the PawSox "bubble" and they will not allow a team here. So for Worcester to have pro baseball it had to be an unaffiliated league.

As for hockey, the ECHL won't work here as the costs are too high. The DCU could let them use the building for next to nothing and the costs would still be too high. Unless the ECHL suddenly has 5 teams within a 2-4 hour drive from here it will never work. So that leaves the AHL and UHL.

Given those two choices I think waiting one year to make a grab at an AHL team is the best option.


From: Snag  
Date: 03-Oct-05
We didn't want the ECHL.  It was either AHL or nothing.

From: Cape Cod Cat   Cape Cod Cat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 03-Oct-05
A lot of fans are asking why Worcester supported the Tornadoes who playued in a league BELOW the lowest level of the Minor Leagues but refused to do business with the ECHL, ECHL hockey is AA Level and could have been in the DCU THIS year.

From: Chavez   Chavez is a registered live IceCat
Date: 02-Oct-05
210 or speed, has there been any more progress made on getting a new team here? i know you guys had been working hard with the city officials, is the city still wanting to try and bring a new team in? thanx

From: KingIceCat   KingIceCat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 30-Sep-05

My thoughts too TJO.  Wouldnt make sense, until after the season tix are sold and the games start playing.  Some of the storys are funny, its like Ferris Beuler movie.  My fathers grandfathers best friends cousin heard from a guy at seven eleven. :)

Everyone have a good weekend and go sox, and Keep the Faith for you know what to come back to Worcester some season soon.


From: tjo668   tjo668 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 30-Sep-05

I think it's good to see that people still have their eyes and ears out there, and are still passionate about getting something back here. We've all heard rumors in some form or another, so here's my take:

IF an AHL team comes back here (or is thinking about it), it most likey has to be an existing team- a team that still has to play out it's '05-'06 schedule and try to make money in the process. Teams are still trying to sell season ticket packages in their existing markets and it would be suicide to make it known or even speculated that they'll move. Even when the Peoria deal "leaked" it wasn't unitl a few weeks into the season.  

In short, if someone's going to move, it wont be made known until after the season starts. I wouldn't expect to hear any thing before November. Until then, might as well sit back and be patient (as hard as that is).


From: Big Mike  
Date: 29-Sep-05
Just something to keep in mind about rumors: in the early 1990s I had people tell me that (1) Worcester was going to be awarded a Canadian Football League expansion team; (2) Albany was going to be awarded an NBA expansion team; and (3) the Quebec Nordiques were going to be sold to new owners who would move the team to Albany. :-)

From: shandy   shandy is a registered live IceCat
Date: 28-Sep-05
im sorry i you guys and girls dont belive lets be friends i want a team as mutch as you i love the cats and hockey so lets be cool

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 28-Sep-05

I'd like to see people stop posting rumors because there's nothing to be gained by it. And, to be honest, the people in a position to know aren't going to be telling anyone.

Read my reply to the first post. Read Judy's. If there is ever a story in the paper (ANY PAPER) that says there's a team coming here you can bet every penny you have there will be a significant number of posts about it here.


From: SataiStyx   SataiStyx is a registered live IceCat
Date: 28-Sep-05

If we were getting a team, it would be heralded in every way, shape and form in Central MA, including a very prominent thread on this board and an announcement on Pierce's main page.  If it's not there, then no, there is no news.

Judi


From: Walker Est Mon Favori   Walker Est Mon Favori is a registered live IceCat
Date: 27-Sep-05

i agree that shandy should say what they want, but others should also.... which essentially means shandy NOT telling people to "shut up" (which is just rude to begin with). Anyways, no one has asked which paper? So, shandy.... which paper? can we verify the information with other articles? I read the Telegram (if that is the paper you are refering to) daily, and like others have said, there would have already been a thread on here. And which company does he work for?

I think one reason 210 and virtue dont want you to post this information w/o some sort of proof is a) it seems like you're lieing for some reason or another, and b) it puts false hopes into people's minds. Maybe they think that, maybe not . lol


From: icecat23   icecat23 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 27-Sep-05
let the person speak.....you dont have to believe what they say....until you see it for yourself....i can understand where both of you are coming from, just let them say what they want.

From: KingIceCat   KingIceCat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 27-Sep-05

Unless its written in an article or finally "signed", it's just a rumor.  We may as well be saying "Worcester is getting a football team, lots of Airlines at the airport...etc.

Rumors have been going around almost a year ago now....and guess what nothing has been done.  Not to say it could happen or not..but "nothing" has been done, and thats a fact as of today (as of today we are still in the same boat as last November...no AHL Team).


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 26-Sep-05

THERE IS NO INFO TO TELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go tell the person that told you he read in the paper that we were getting anopther team to stop lying.


From: shandy   shandy is a registered live IceCat
Date: 26-Sep-05
we live in a free country and im saying what i heard if you dont like it dont talk you should shut up untill you get info virtue fan

From: virtuefan1   virtuefan1 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 25-Sep-05
shandy don't speak. It is only going to make the chances of getting a team smaller

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 25-Sep-05
I don't care who he works for...if it were in the paper there would be a thread about it here, and it would have a significant amount of posts in it.

From: Snagglepulse   Snagglepulse is a registered live IceCat
Date: 25-Sep-05
I wouldn't be talking about it too soon.

From: shandy   shandy is a registered live IceCat
Date: 25-Sep-05
he works for a company that sponsers the tornadoes

From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 25-Sep-05
If he read it in the paper wouldn't you think there'd be a thread here about it already?

From: shandy   shandy is a registered live IceCat
Date: 24-Sep-05
the other day i was talking to a guy from marlboro and he said he read in the paper we were getting a team for next year if there any  truth to that can someone post

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