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From: Turkued  
Date: 17-Jan-06
I actually never thought of staffing requirements. You are, of course, correct. Those sellouts were amazing. When you get to the 10,000-12,000 level that is as loud a building as I've ever been in. Then, again, the 1,000 of us in the place when John Carter had his five goals against Cape Breton were pretty loud ourselves. It's pretty easy to get a good atmosphere there. I will admit the "crowds" of 40 for the Worcester Counts games did stretch this theory!

From: 128A  
Date: 16-Jan-06

Turkued , Just my thoughts are on the whole curtain stuff is probably done for many reasons in event arenas, certainly the curtain doesn't increase attendence as you have said. I am more inclined to believe there are other issues associated with reducing the seating for the building.

One would think the reduction in seating helps the DCU reduce the off ice required staffing by them as well. 

If you are not aware of it  there are some really tough rules and regulations by the State of Mass. for a public assembly facilitys like this, on the requirements for number of people staffing events, and there is no flexibilty in the codes by the State.

Just my guess but I would think the curtained off area would be opened up on an as needed basis, based on game ticket sales, and very sure the DCU would accomidate whatever the attendence is to the maximum for the building. It would be great to see some of the sellout crowds as in the past year.

Talk to the DCU Center if you have desire a certain seat as they are really helpful.

  


From: Maxi   Maxi is a registered live IceCat
Date: 16-Jan-06
I think that the curtain may be a good idea for another reason.  In my opinion, when fans are sitting closer together in a  large crowd ( or even in a perceived large crowd) , there is usually a tendency for most people  to get "caught up" in the spirit of the game & have more fun. (You can't do the "wave" when fans are isolated & spread out all over the place). The  fun & excitement of the hockey arena is a big factor in selling tickets.     

From: Turkued  
Date: 15-Jan-06
"The curtain isn't why Hartford is having attendence issues..." Agreed. The Rangers affiliation is deadly in Whaler country. Still the curtains have not helped attendance yet are being sold as an attendance aid here. The theory is that a limited capacity will increase pre day of game sales. Yet, if a limited capacity was a cure then Lowell would be a huge success. They are not. I would suggest curtains = minor league = detriment to sucess in a market used to Boston based major league project. In addition, if we have a 7,000 seat "sell out" on accassion then might the possibility of a "sell out" keep people at home on good weather nights fearing a sell out? "Roy Boe" I never said we would be better off under Boe. Nevertheless, the team drew best before the Blues purchased it. He did a number of things right. Game presentation, radio broadcasts and seating among them. "Sharks identity will catch on here" I hope so. A local identity had a better chance of cathcing on. There are no Sharks in Worcester. Just as there were no Mighty Ducks in defunct Cincinatti. "no problems with the seats anywear at the DCU" I've had seats sloping up, seats sloping down, air blowers bloweing right in my eyes etc. My problem is that I don't like arena level seating. You're too close to really see the game.

From: 128A  
Date: 14-Jan-06

Hey Turkued & Noonespec,

You two are to depressing and must be watching to much of the Boston Bruins, or is it Boston Ruins this year, Turk talks about no local identity and hey the named the Team "Worcester-Sharks" and sounds pretty committed to me.

Changing the Jerseys has been scientifical been proven not to reduce attendance, and has shown to increase new Jersey Sales for the Team, and that's a good thing for local owners, the stuffing inside the Jersey is more important and was always impressed with the Worcester Team.

Noonespec I weigh 200# and have no problems with the seats anywear at the DCU, I think the Sharks did the best of both worlds by naming the team the "Worcester Sharks" and  trying to make a connection with both Worcester & there NHL Shark team and makes sense to link the AHL to the NHL for players & fans.

The 10 year lease deal shows the Sharks are committed to Worcester and both AHL & NHL Teams, and I really hope everyone appreciates there dedication and supports them as well as there unbelivable 10 year commitment to Worcester. 

Go Sharks...


From: KingIceCat   KingIceCat is a registered live IceCat
Date: 14-Jan-06
I agree Blueline.  We got a "New Team" here, lets go forward...instead of second guessing the previous era.  I belive Roy Boe did good things for Worcester too, and down in Bridgeport, didn't he abandoned them as well?  Not sure of the circumstances down there.  I too thank Roy Boe in beliving in "Worcester" and giving us a team, but time to look to the future of this new team.

From: BlueLine   BlueLine is a registered live IceCat
Date: 14-Jan-06

We've got the city, SMG, the team, and a core of fans really excited about making this a success. Can't we talk about how to make it work instead of trying to predict all the reasons why it won't?

You have every right to believe we'd be better off with a team owned by Roy Boe, but I most humbly disagree. I am deeply grateful to Mr Boe for getting AHL hockey into Worcester, but he left with a team so deep in debt that it had almost no hope of recovery. The Blues took the team because they were the ones owed the most money. How well do you think Bridgeport is doing? Would you like to switch situations with them? Local ownership is great all other things being equal, but in my opinion all other things aren't equal.

And I don't know why you don't think the Sharks identity will catch on here. Other than the Bruins, any name you start will have to be developed. Is it really that we just want to be back in the good old days of the Ice Cats? I loved them too, but I'm moving forward and doing anything I can to make this franchise a success.


From: 210   210 is a registered live IceCat
Date: 13-Jan-06
The curtain isn't why Hartford is having attendence issues...

From: Noonespec  
Date: 13-Jan-06
I never posted here i normaly just read, but i have to agree with the turk, past mistakes are going to bite this team again, i know that there are alot of die hard san jose sharks fans in worcester just like there were a ton of die hard st.louis blues fans, if this team is a replica of what the sharks do it will have no real identity and after the novelty has slipped away it will be 3,334 people per game and the curtin idea is a pant load as well because in that building, half the seats on the bottom levels have blind spots and for the plus sized fan, nothing like a centrum seat, sorry DCU seat. not really made for anyone over 130 lbs. i love hockey and im glad we have a team, but i want a team with a local identity, not one of our warm weather friends from the west coast. i would also like this team to be here for the long haul, and without that identity like the icecats had, it will fail to the best effort of any fan, and that sucks

From: Turkued  
Date: 13-Jan-06
I don't want to be a naysayer, but to date the decisions made by the new organization have IMHO emulated the Blues in all the wrong ways. The Icecats were started as an independent club. The most successful years, under Roy Boe, featured an organization committed to Worcester first. When you have a dual affiliation (Blues/Islanders), major league quality radio broadcasts and an organization committed to the local community good things happen. Naming the team after a team without tradition 3,000 miles away is a mistake. Where is the local identity? The Icecats were most successful when they least emulated the Blues. Changes in uniforms etc. to more closely reflect the affiliation correlated to decreased attendance. Curtains are also a mistake. The Centrum (I'm a traditionalist!) is not a building where empty seats mean a terrible atmosphere (a la the Fleet/TD whatever they call it in Boston). I, for one, prefer to sit behind the goals, 2nd level. Will this be possible? I also prefer airline flights without people in the center seat. Why crowd people into limited seating when they can be spaced out a bit better? The Icecats were most successful when they operated as a major league style franchise selling all seats on all levels. When they started to push people into the lower bowl etc. popularity dimmed. The exact system proposed by the Sharks has been tried in Hartford. Guess what: attendance has gone down with the advent of curtains and limited ticket sales. You'd think management would learn. Is there anywhere this strategy has worked?

From: 128A  
Date: 11-Jan-06

Hey Bob,

I see you are a former season ticket holder and hopefully have signed and pledged for your season tickets again for the new team?  As Speed said the IceCats moved for many reasons, one and the most important is a couple of well to do Rich Guys who lost an AHL Team years ago bought the franchise and brought it back to ther City and paid big bucks for the team.

The new location is closer to the parent NHL team and statistical data shows that actually the AHL & NHL team do better in attendance when close togther. 

It is all about Bucks ,and not Pucks, the AHL IceCats were loosing some money over the years and the Rich Guys came in and made an offer that St. Louis couldn't refuse.

In so far as the Cats being a "Box Office Flop" I would really disagree as they were for many years typical of other teams in the AHL on attendence, and had some really great teams and did well. 

In so far as other teams in attendeance, we had some really great years and teams ,as well as sellouts in the building for the fans as you know as a past season ticket holder, and really hoping you will support the new team and pledge your season tickets again, as we all look forward to brining the Calder Cup to Worcester

 


From: Maxi   Maxi is a registered live IceCat
Date: 11-Jan-06
Speed, You guys did a heck of a job advocating for a new team. Congratulations to you & all of the Volunteers that worked so hard (& cooperatively)  with the City , the DCU Center, businesses , the media & the community. !!.......Although the "Cats" front office always treated me well, I share your  feeling  that they may  have been a little burned out & lacking in enthusiasm.  I  look forward  to seeing "new blood, new ideas" & new energy poured into this franchise & look forward to the return of some great hockey to the Worcester area. 

From: Speed   Speed is a registered live IceCat
Date: 10-Jan-06
Hi Bob it was a combination of a lot of things. Taking the team for granted had a lot to do with it. The DCU Center, the city, the businesses. Even the casual fan and families. Its was something that was just "there". It's a combination of knowing that there's money being lost with them not around, as well as a hit to the community - whether it be social, economic, or charitable. The city, DCU and businesses have woke up and have taken notice. Another reason for the box office in the past to not be as good as it should have been was ease of walking up and getting a great seat. Say you have a family of 4 or 5, and you were thinking of going to a game. Then the weather gets a little raining or snowy. Or you might be running a little late. Since you didn't already buy tickets - you might say "aw the heck with it" and not go. With the curtains going up, you are creating a demand for the good seats, and people are more apt to purchase tickets ahead of time. I also think in the last few years, the Blues paid no attention to the market, and the folks selling the tickets were burnt out over this market. New blood, new ideas. Only time will tell, but I hope you come back as a season ticket holder Bob. A lot of people at the rally were saying "so that's how we were supposed to be treated!"

From: Bob Aubrey  
Date: 08-Jan-06
Hopefully,by tomorrow,Worcester will have a new AHL team.The City of Worcester and City Manager O'Brien should be congratulated on their hard work and persistence. But the fact of the matter is the ICE CATS were a box office flop. Does anybody have any idea why such a great value as  AHL hockey failed in Worcester the first time?  I am a former season ticket holder and I think the Blues did a great job in presenting their product in most ways. What can the new team do differently? Thanx Bob

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